For this second post, I want you to consider our discussions in class about disability, fatness, and oppression, and how these conditions or states of identity are intersectional with other identities.
Please look at Nomy Lamm's "It's a Big Fat Revolution" article (link below) and write a response to this article, thinking of how she approaches her discussion of fatness intersectionally, and how this connects to our discussions about disability and oppression/privilege.
http://tehomet.net/nomy.html
One thing that really stuck out to me in Nomy Lamm’s article is her acknowledgement that there are parts of her that society oppresses, and then there are parts of her that are privileged, but she cannot separate them. They are both part of her, and she has grown to work with both sides. That is what intersectionality means for me. I have multiple parts to me. Some, society views as acceptable or are privileges, and others are part of the oppressed side. All of us have these parts to us, and it is important to learn how these parts affect us, and also how someone else’s parts affect their experiences. When it comes to disability, oppression, or just being different, that is not the person entirely, but a piece of a person. Lamm had open and honest conversations with her girlfriends, and it was her identity as a fat person that allowed for a different view than girls who are skinnier. We all have different experiences, beliefs, opinions, and our identities are what forms them.
ReplyDeleteAnother big concept I enjoyed from Lamm’s article was the concept she rose that instead of not censoring conversations, she would rather her friends’ just stop thinking the fat-shaming thoughts. The view society has developed surrounding weight has gotten so harmful that people are thinking about it without realizing how harmful it is to even have those thoughts. I, myself, am guilty of thinking I am, what I call, “chunky” even though realistically I am healthy (at least what I can control. Cough genetics cough). Then the more a person is stopped from being who they are because of societal views in media and from people around them, such as being fat, the more those thoughts haunt them. The idea that the revolution starts in our own heads is a beautiful concept. I am a big supporter of loving yourself first, above all other opinions, because you are the one who has to deal with the thoughts and struggles. There is always something society chooses to pick about a person’s lifestyle, look, actions, or identity that is a problem. But that one part does not make up the entire person. With disability and oppression, it takes loving oneself first. I say this because it is hard to passionately fight for something when you are internally struggling to accept it yourself.
I also agree with the notion that the revolution starts in our own heads, and for it to be successful, we first need to be accepting of each other and all parts of each other's identities. It reminds me of Anzaldua's statement that the struggle is inner, meaning that if we can't overcome the biased thoughts in our own heads, then it is even less feasible to change society. However, when we support each other and love ourselves, we further the revolution that Lamm speaks of step by step.
DeleteOn this article, Nomy’s intersection is that she cannot separate the privileged and the fatness oppression of the society. She has the privileged because she is an articulate, white, middle-class college girl. And, she is an overweight girl and could be considered fat girl. She feels conflict that she is different with others. However, everyone is different with others in the society. Everyone has their characteristics so that we can identify ourselves. Moreover, these characteristics for the disability and fatness people are special and more attractive. They are easier to classify from others because of their incomplete and oversize body shape. However, they are suffering for the discriminatory from other people because their unique body shapes. Fatness people could be considered ugly and they feel shame of their oversize body. In addition, social medias are promoted the skinning body size as the good looking and healthy body shape. This posting hurts the fatness people and makes them feel inferiority. However, fatness depending by the genes is natural status for people and sometimes we cannot control.
ReplyDeleteThough it is hard for Nomy lose weight, she tardily accepts her overweight body and get confidence about herself. She ignores others opinion about her body shape and recognize her attractive. Though she still on overweight size, she feels happy and confidence about her looking. It is very important that you are confident and ignoring some bad opinion from others. Fatness people always lose their confidences so that they never find out their advantages and attractive. In that case, they could not find their own identity and never deal with their struggles. If you cannot accept yourself, nobody will accept you.
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ReplyDeleteNomy Lamm, on her article “It’s a Big Fat Revolution”, depicts in a coherent way the oppression she faces as a woman viewed by society as a fat woman. Lamm recognizes that although she has the privilege of being an articulate, white, middle-classed college student, that doesn’t mean the oppression she faces is any lesser than any other women who don’t posses her advantage. Lamm goes on to say that she encounters other forms of oppression by being a disabled person. In other words Lamm’s identity intersect and overshadow each other into forms of oppression.
ReplyDeleteLamm’s article connects to our discussions about disability and oppression in the form that society body shames women who are considered overweight. For instance, Lamm says that at the age of seven, the doctors had told her she was overweight. But in reality, who’s to say what’s the ideal weight for a “normal” person, and why is it considered fat. Many factors play a role in determining weight. Some people have more muscle and that contributes to weight, so to say, two people weighing the same do not look the same in any way. Fatness is a form is a disability used in society to oppress others. Society tells you have to look a certain way in order to be considered beautiful, and if you don’t look that way you need to start dieting and exercising. However, you should not feel the need to conform into these societal views, be yourself and own it.
I agree with your comment, especially the last 5 words. Society feels like these standards are normal and what everyone should go by, and I highly disagree. They feel like there has to be this perfect person, but really, there is not.
DeleteWhile I can understand and even think of personal instances of gender inequality, racial stereotypes, and classist prejudice, I admit I had a harder time situating fat oppression in a societal environment as a subject position like other elements of identity. However, after reading both Katherine Mason's article on fat discrimination in employment, and Nomy Lamm's personal anecdotes in her article, I realize that my difficulty with this topic is a result of not only how I was raised to believe that weight is a completely self-controlled parameter, but also my own fortune of having a privileged metabolic disposition. I'm lucky enough that exercise comes easy to me and I burn calories at a efficient rate, but placed in a societal context, much like how the color of one's skin can confer unearned advantages, so does my metabolism and body type. Thus, I was never forced to contemplate this element of my identity until now. In fact, I was particularly astonished when Lamm asserted that her fatness was much more impactful to her life than being born with one leg. While fatness amongst her other elements of identity, including her gender and sexuality, inflect upon the societal pressure and oppression that she faces in the "real world," Lamm also acknowledges that she cannot separate the oppressed parts of her identity from her privileged parts. The act of managing all these parts of oneself and recognizing the intersectionality of other people's identities is key to furthering the revolution, which she asserts takes place even in the smallest incidences of everyday life. For example, allowing others to call out your own prejudices and erroneous logic is just as important, if not more, than protesting that of others.
ReplyDeleteI appreciated the section of Lamm's article that dealt with the faults in her own mindset. She says at times, she is tempted to go back to dieting and to conform to society's expectations of the ideal female body. She further acknowledges the contradictions within herself, but embraces them instead of trying tirelessly to resolve them. Her assertion that trying to resolve them would only simplify and conform to the linear, analytic thinking of Eurocentric positivism particularly resonated with me, and it made me wonder if much of my own mental exhaustion is a result of trying to minimize the contradictions within myself for the sake of hiding my own cognitive dissonance. Oftentimes, and more recently as a result of taking this course, I find myself torn between what I now know are conditioned thought patterns and attitudes as a result of my upbringing in a hegemonic society, and my own aspiration for self-validation and definition. For example, I have been conditioned by Disney movies and every other outlet of mass media to think that only through a romantic, heterosexual relationship will I find completely fulfillment in my life, however, I also want my happiness to be independent of anyone outside myself. While it may seem superficially easier to reject this dissonance, Lamm argues (and I wholeheartedly agree) that to hide away the identifiers in our lives only adds more shame to their dimensions. Understanding the root of these contradictions and embracing them, rather than erasing them or trying in vain to resolve them, provides much more insight about how elements of identity and societal conditioning interact with one another.
In Nomy Lamm’s article “It’s a Big Fat Revolution,” she acknowledges her other subject positions that intersect with her fatness. Some of them include her being an articulate white middle-class college student and a person with a disability. She shares that even though she was born with only one leg, she didn’t feel that it affected her body image as much as fatness did. She also mentions how being white and middle class may give her a lot of privilege and opportunities to deal with her oppression compared to others, but she demystifies these by showing what she went through in life being surrounded by the fat-shaming in the media and by her friends with their fat-shaming thoughts.
ReplyDeleteIn class, we talked about how embodiment and systems of power affect each other. Lamm’s article shows this by discussing her experience with weight loss commercials on TV. The media, a system of power, sets up an ideal body type, praising those that fit it and ridiculing those that do not. The commercials encourage others to follow the structure that the media deems ideal. In Lamm’s case, those commercials made her feel awful about herself. The media has so much power on people that it instilled fat-shaming thoughts onto her friends, which made her feel uncomfortable because even though her friends were fat-shaming themselves, Lamm still felt hurt. However, she overcomes her oppression by emphasizing her change of heart about her body. She learned to accept and love herself in the end.
I like when Nomy says "I want you to see my body, acknowledge my body. True revolution comes not when we learn to ignore our fat and pretend we're no different, but when we learn to use it to our advantage, when we learn to deconstruct all the myths that propagate fat-hate."
DeleteNomy Lamm approaches her fatness head on, stating that it’s part of her identity just as much as her physical disability is and that it’s just as much a factor of her identity as her bisexuality is. Lamm obviously cannot separate fatness as one part of identity either, she talks about how much this piece of identity acts like a blanket over all of the other pieces of her identity. That her identity is also unable to be broken apart into privileged parts and oppressed parts, since Lamm just is, she has to deal with how these pieces of herself interact, and balance with each other. It is easy to see that Lamm herself is intersectional, she cannot deny any part of her identity to focus on another, and she accepts that, and points out that, “The more we ignore these aspects of ourselves, the more shameful they become and the more we are expected to be what is generally implied when these qualifiers are not given - white, straight, rich, thin, male.”.
ReplyDeleteI’m appreciative of the fact that Lamm writes about her struggles with her own mindset, that sometimes stepping out of the circles she is in and existing outside of the spaces that she has created for herself still proves that society has a long way to go before things change towards positivity to fatness. Lamm questions herself and appreciates when people call her out and force her to deal with the negativity she puts out there, that she is glad to be a part of this revolution but there is still a fear that she will get left behind even for all her work. Lamm’s work connects to the discussions we’ve had on privilege and oppression because she acknowledges that she is privileged and should use that rather than letting it go to waste in her work.
In her article, there's a point that Nomy Lamm addresses that as a society, we use the expressions "you may be fat, but you're beautiful on the inside." She dismantles this argument, stating that it implies that those who do not fit the physical "societal norm" (thin, able-bodied, white, etc) are not beautiful on the outside, but are beautiful on the inside, for they are the same as everyone else. I have to agree. We can not ignore these differences, because in reality, everyone is different. We can't ignore all of the aspects of a person and strip them of their individuality just to say that they are the same as someone who may have more privilege, who may be able-bodied, who may be heterosexual, who may fit the societal norm "better." We have different components to ourselves that affect the way we are supposedly "allowed" to go through life. The intermingling, the intersectionality of these components make us individuals, and should not be ignored.
ReplyDeleteAnother good topic that was brought up is the idea that the revolution begins with ourselves. Through my personal experience, I feel that we as people try our best to adhere and conform to standards that were laid out upon us since our birth, and this obviously changes our mindset. We have to think the same as everyone else, we need to view things from the same standpoint, we aren't allowed to have our own opinions. In order to actually start a change, you have to begin formulating your own thoughts/opinions, and accept yourself for who you are as an individual, not a copy of what society has made of you/the people around you. Once you've developed your self and how you move around the world, you can begin educating your loved ones to also accept/love themselves for who they are. The revolution begins with one, and that one is you.
In Lamm's article, it can be easily said that she is not happy with the way society deals with "fat people". Ever since she was small, she was always told that she is overweight, and was not good enough for even choreography because it made her look "fat". She gave a lot of good examples in her life where even her friends would lie to her face and say that she's not fat, just curvy. Also, Lamm mentions how society pretends that fat people are not considered people and have some sort of disability. It sort of hurts to read that, because I have been called fat multiple times myself. I really liked this article because it was so easy to relate to.
ReplyDeleteTalking about disability, oppression, and fatness can be hard depending who you're talking about it with. In class, I remember it was said that people with disabilities would have the stereotypical message of "oh, they can't do this or that" like a mother cannot be a good mother if she is in a wheelchair. It frustrates me that society has these standards. For example, fatness. If you are fat, you're considered lazy. Lamm mentioned that in her article and I completely agree with her. This article was really interesting and stood out to me.
I also think that the whole "curvy, not fat" was an interesting aspect! Many women nowadays push to be called curvy, as "fat" has a negative connotation. However, I like how Lamm really just accepts fat as an identifier and reclaims it as part of herself.
DeleteNomy Lamm's article gives her personal view on fat oppression and ties in her other subject positions intersectionally. She wrote "I have to take into account that I'm an articulate, white, middle-class college kid, and that provides me with a hell of a lot of privilege and opportunity for dealing with my oppression that may not be available to other oppressed people." Although she only has one leg, her fatness is what people see. She explains her childhood as a fat person. How she was told not to do things and to act a certain way so that she could hide or fix her fatness. At the end, she learns to love her body and embrace her true self no matter what society says.
ReplyDeleteIn class we talked about how being fat has it's consequences in society. Embodiment and systems of power go hand and hand. Additionally, if you are fat you are not functioning to your full capacity and therefore you are doing something wrong and must be cured. Society believes there's only one healthy body type and that fat is ugly. This makes people go on these yo-yo diets and starve themselves to fit the right criteria.
I like how you applied the medical model of disability here because it plays a key role in Nomy Lamm's experiences with her fatness and how others perceive it compared to her.
DeleteThe medical model of disability was what I was trying to express in my post as well! I think that this is an idea that Lamm was trying to highlight in her piece as well.
DeleteThe way Nomy talks about fatness and what she has experienced throughout her life is very moving. She has her experiences of fat oppression and that these socially perceived flaws aren’t what define her. When she called out the back handed compliments of being beautiful on the inside even when she’s fat (a quality deemed unfavorable by those critiquing her), that was an important part of fatness intersectionality, especially with regards to feminism. She has these “identities” of being a woman and fat and white, all of which have their own privileges and powers in comparison to others (as she said, a person of color). She checks her privilege, knowing that her experiences are valid, but are not the same as others. A lot of this connects back to our discussion about disability and oppression/privilege because of what sort of subject positions and identities a person hold impacts the way they navigate the world. She understands that being white has its own privileges, but even then, due to her inability to “do her gender incorrectly”, she has her own oppressions to deal with and revolutions within her.
ReplyDeleteNomy Lamm’s article, “It’s a Big Fat Revolution,” honestly surprised me. I was not expecting her to have so many aspects of her identity address other than the fact that she was overweight. But what surprised me the most was that she felt out of all her characteristics that make up her experience, she still identified the most strongly with being overweight. Not her race, gender, social standing, or even that fact that she was born with one leg. I cannot imagine being born with one leg. Nearly everything I am passionate about involves moving my body and the ability to be agile. The fact that I am not disabled is rooted very deeply into what has led me to become who I am. A life where I have one leg is a life I would not recognize. When Lamm talk about how her weight played a larger role in her identity than her disability, it really registered for me the depth of her feelings towards her weight. I am very aware that we live in a society that represses overweight people and rewards fit and slim individuals. As someone who has never really been overweight, I can only imagine how it must feel to live in a society that shames you for your body type. Lamm claims the extent of this feeling is so great it has led her to find a community where she is accepted for who she is. I think that is amazing, but she also continues to describe is it as a bubble and could not imagine living in the real world. I think it is disgusting that the society we live in ostracizes people to that extent, simply because of their physical build.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed how Nomy Lamm wrote about the different intersectionalities of who she is. She addressed a wide variety of things that make up her identity, but one point that I found particularly intriguing was that she talked about certain aspects of who she is being more prominent in how she identifies than others. For example, though she was born with one leg, she doesn't think of that much and doesn't feel that it defines her in the way that being fat or bisexual does. This is a point that I haven't heard before: that some parts of who we are affect our identity more than others do. For some, their race may be a small part of who they are, and for some it may be nearly everything.
ReplyDeleteLame addresses that she can't separate her fatness from her privilege. Both of these will always be a part of her, but affect her in very different ways. Being white, middle class, and college educated provides her with a variety of privileges and benefits, while being fat often marginalizes her. It leads people to assume they know her, or what is best for her. They assume she is unhealthy, or is fat as a mask to cover some type of pain or trauma. They believe she is not allowed to be seen as attractive, to others or to herself. The society we live in tells people what is acceptable and what is not, and provides a very narrow margin for what is allowed. No one should have to feel ashamed for something that is so deeply a part of their life, like their body. Everyone should have the right to see themselves as beautiful and to not be defined on one such aspect of their identity.
I agree that every individual has the right to embrace their identities so they can live a much happier life without having to worry about society's expectaions
DeleteNomy Lamm is very open about her experience as a person with more fat than is socially accepted. After years of suffering under the hands of society for having a different physique, she has learned that being happy with who she was was the key. It was not going on diets, or just being content that she was "beautiful on the inside". It was realizing that she was beautiful on the inside and outside, whether or not it met with society's accepted code of conduct.
ReplyDeleteHowever, apart from describing her experience, she does not fail to mention intersectionality. Yes she faces discrimination for being fat, but being a white, middle-classed college student "provides [her] with a hell of a lot of privilege and opportunity for dealing with [her] oppression that may not be available to other oppressed people", such as perhaps if she were black instead of white, or poor instead of middle-class. And likewise, she would face advantages if she were thin that she doesn't have as a fat woman. Her article really highlights how a disability and fatness can make someone susceptible to oppression, just as much as race and gender can. Whether its straight-up and harsh, or subtle such as when it comes from her family.
What immediately engaged me to her article was her honesty, and how real she was about the subject. It really was similar to our discussions in that she said it as it exists in her head. Unlike when we write, when we speak in discussions we don't focus on our use of "the words of the universe of male intellect that already exists" (as she phrased it). Her use of common vocabulary, and even a share of vulgar vocabulary, made it an easy and engaging reading; her message was very clear.
I like the accessible language she uses. She reaches out to everyone with or without an education without simplifying her struggles. I really liked that she does acknowledge her privilege and takes into account privileges other folks don't have and how she - although disabled and fat - is given a platform to deal with her oppression for being a white middle class college educated woman.
DeleteIn Lamm’s “It’s a Big Fat Revolution”, she identifies herself as a white, middle class, fat, disabled, college student. She acknowledges her privilege as a white middle class woman with an education and also lets her readers know her struggles as a fat woman. The way she writes her post is accessible to a larger audience. She notes how although she was born with one leg, she struggled more with her fatness than her disability. She brings up her struggles growing up in a fat phobic family, who always encouraged diets.
ReplyDeleteI really like that she criticizes mainstream feminist authors and mainstream feminism. In her post she mentions an feminist author and her book “fat is a Feminist Issue”, in which the author of the book wants to help woman be healthy and lose weight so they can feel better about themselves. Lame criticizes that although her intention is to help woman achieve these societal goals, she is hurting them as well by enabling woman to feed on to the idea that there is only one body to fit. Lamm instead focuses on having woman dismantle oppressive societal norms and ideas on fatness. Towards the end of her post, she says the fat grrrl revolution is hers, but does not belong to her. She acknowledges her intersecting identities that both oppress her and privilege her. I think she knows the fat grrrl revolution is an identity shared by many other folks who also have layered identities that disadvantage them in different forms.
In "It's a Big Fat Revolution", Lamm is very psychoanalytical about her physical appearance. She emphasizes how it is difficult to be overweight and disabled in a society that oppresses individuals by pressuring them to comply to the ideal images of masculine/feminine. She describes how disturbed she feels for hating her body image when she looks in the mirror and sees she doesn't embody the feminine image society expects her to present. She comments that there are days she loves her body and cares less what others think of her. However she makes a point that negative thoughts come to her mind and she would wish she wouldn't have those thoughts for she is trying to love herself. I personally feel she struggles with this due to her friends conversing about diet plans even though they are thin. These conversations make Lamm feel infuriated because she is trying to embrace/accept herself despite the cruelty she would be receiving from many. She takes a stance by saying that"I am not dieting anymore because I know that this is how my body is supposed to be, and this is how I want it to be. Being fat does not make me less healthy or less active. Being fat does not make me less attractive." This statement is very empowering and is a quote many women should keep in mind.
ReplyDeleteAlso I agree with Lamm's claim that being fat doesn't cause one's unhappiness but society's claim that being fat is a horrible thing that must be fixed. She makes a point that instead of one judging some one else based on their physical appearance, one should get to know the individual based on their character. If people alter their mindset and aren't prejudice towards those who don't embody the expectations for either gender, everyone would be a lot more accepting. Also those who are being targeted would finally live happier lives because they no longer have to live under pressure. Lastly, she makes a statement how women who are overweight are targeted more frequently because they are not doing their gender right. This indicates how being a woman and overweight intersect with one another. She finally concludes that through her punk identity she finds the strength she needs for dismantling any form of oppression.
Nomy Lamm's "It's A Big Fat Revolution" is a great example of what it means to be intersectional. She acknowledges the oppression she faces being a fat woman, while maintaining a rational point of view in relation to her white privilege. Her identity isn't overgeneralized, since it cannot simply be her white identity vs. her oppressed identity, but in a place where the two meet. She wonders what it means to "be a white woman as opposed to a woman of color? a middle-class fat girl as opposed to a poor fat girl?" These two opposing identities differ greatly, for example a fat middle-class woman can have the resources to change her diet and exercise while a poor woman has difficulty achieving that and juggling the complexities of life at the same time.
ReplyDeleteHowever, Lamm speaking as a fat white middle-class woman, she wonders why she should be shamed about her body in the first place. If people are born skinny and go through their lives being praised for their bodies, why can't her's be see in the same way? Since society has greatly valued being skinny for so many centuries, it has become the "default" body type that she cannot be molded into. It is society's projection of fatness that become ingrained in everybody's heads and does not allow them to be happy with who they really are. This negative connotation that comes with being fat is something society must deal with, since "all forms of oppression work together, and so they have to be fought together."
In this article, intersectionality is discussed by Lamm when considering her own fatness and experiences of oppression. She acknowledges the positionalities which give her privilege, such as being white and middle class. She then speculates about how different people with other subject positionalities would experience oppression. One such subject position is fatness or the lack thereof. Lamm discusses how in today's society, fatness is seen as a form of disability. If one is fat, they are less fit or less healthy than someone who is not fat. Sometimes, this leads others to think that that person will never experience love because of tropes like being lifted and spun around. She also writes about how fatness is undesirable, and when added on to other subject positionalities such as race or class, one can be more or less undesirable than other. Each person falls differently on a sliding scale of desirability. In this way, those who are not considered fat have privilege over those who are. This is because these persons are neither considered disabled nor undsireable. People with fat bodies are also taught by society that their figure needs to be changed in order for them to be considered healthy or attractive. They are taught that fatness is wrong and should be hated. Lamm discusses her struggle to battle her internalized misogyny, and how she lives as a woman with a fat body.
ReplyDeleteIn this article, Nomy Lamm really delves into what the meaning of "intersectionality" is. She faces oppression as a fat, disabled, bisexual woman. Yet at the same time, she enjoys the privileges of being white, educated, and middle-class. All of her subject positions come together and define exactly who she is and how she sees the world. As a fat person, she sees a world that is against her and other fat people. The media constantly pushes thinness as beauty, while defining fat as unhealthy and unattractive. Lamm argues that as a society, we should strive to not only accept fatness, but to embrace it as a natural and beautiful body type. She even goes as far as to say that dieting is unhealthy and should not be done.
ReplyDeleteI personally do not agree with this stance. For full transparency, I am a thin person with a background in science, so my positionalities obviously do not align with Nomy Lamm's. While I do agree that there is a "fat hate" movement pushed by society, I do not think that it is entirely accurate to say that fatness is healthy. Lamm argues that the studies that have found that fat people have short life expectancies are "medical lies", and that the unhealthy aspect of fatness is only due to dieting. However, this is blatantly untrue. One of the many health problems stemming from obesity is high blood pressure. In no way can malnutrition result in a high blood pressure. Overall, I am entirely in favor of everyone accepting and loving all body types, but pushing inaccuracies and lies only hurts the battle for equality.
In Nomy Lamm’s “It’s a Big Fat Revolution” article she approaches fatness intersectionally by stating that she is “white, middle-class college kid”. So her class, race and sexuality are all things that are equally part of her identity. In correlation with oppression, it means falling in to more than one category of social location can mean it will be tougher in society. This connects to our discussions about disability and oppression/ privilege because Lamm is privileged but she is aware of that, however her knowledge outside of herself like accepting her body for exactly how it is reveals something else in her as well but it is subjectivity since she formulated this also based on her personal/ lived experiences. For instance, towards the end she mentions, “sometimes I feel like my whole identity is wrapped up in my fat… when I am fully conscious of my fat, it can’t be used against me”, which ties back in to our discussion of the social model of disability. Society and people are saying that the solution is dieting yet they begin by saying “there is nothing wrong with being fat”. It comes back to the idea that thin people are, phrased by Lamm, “loveable healthy beautiful, talented, fun”, and that everyone have to fit in to that categorization of beauty standards.
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